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Generally, as diffusion increases, hits get cooler and smoother, but less flavourful. Could you possibly explain how it gets better flavour while also still cooling/smoothing out the hit? (I know we aren't gonna know for sure, but I'd like to hear any theories ) I also totally get the less dry glass area part if it, but that could be replicated by a small non-recycling piece too couldn't it? Like, imagine 2 pieces, with the same perc, same volume, same everything, except that one is a recycler, and one is just a regular bubbler, would the recycler be appreciably different( I.e. the recycler adds "something" to the piece) Or would they be the same (which would mean that there's nothing special about recyclers per se, its just that in order to make a recycler work, it will end up having those desired characteristics.

I own probably 10 recyclers, Hamm Waterworks (he claims he invented the recycler), Sheldon Black, Vertigo pillars, Mothership Torus, J-Red mini internal , Hoobs Piston bulb and the Delta9 honeycomb and I am not done. Recyclers require much lighter slower hits for efficiency. The contact of the vape in the water is much longer and the stirring action freshens the water. The vape goes through the normal perc, then it must travel along with the water to the next level. This takes much longer especially went you draw lighter. The water is heavier and drops back down to the bottom. Why not just return the water to the top instead of the bottom of water pool? because you want the water to "recycle" and be reused, but not until all other water travels the same way.

cooler fresher water (plus recyclers requirer higher water levels). No one ever said "Vape recycler" at least the blowers. Hamm seems to have the best description, but I can't seem to find it now. I can compare to many other styles I own, David Goldstein Frets, High end Toro's, several Motherships, Dirty Rico's and Pulse multi honeycombs and I like my recyclers the best. All the things FLskwat stated are my experience also except for me the taste matches high perc frits which is a bit less taste. It works well and matches most of my recyclers for effect. A low cost entry level try, but it isn't cheap low quality in my book. See for yourself, at that cost you cost almost throw it away. I never thought recyclers actually recycled the vapor (though I have seen others on FC say that they do), but that was why I was curious if they actually added anything to the hit. My thinking was that if the vapor itself didn't recycle, the whole recycling setup was essentially a splash catcher. I hadn't really factored in that the vapor spends more time in contact with the water while going up to the next level, I guess it's kinda a similar effect to a pillar perc, except there's only 1 "pillar". Anyways, not that I needed much convincing, but you guys have sold me, I'll definitely be pulling the trigger on a recycler sometime soon (funds are a bit tight ATM, just got the $500 eagle package ) I'd still appreciate any one elses opinions on recyclers, especially what they think is the best value recycler to be had. I recall reading a post by Colie Glass that you don't want too much diffusion at the perc, or the extra turbulence can stop the whirlpool effect of the recycling water, have you noticed that at all with the D-9 Honeycomb recycler? They also have a non-honeycomb recycler, which looks to be Identical except for the lack of honeycomb. I never thought recyclers actually recycled the vapor (though I have seen others on FC say that they do), but that was why I was curious if they actually added anything to the hit. My thinking was that if the vapor itself didn't recycle, the whole recycling setup was essentially a splash catcher. I hadn't really factored in that the vapor spends more time in contact with the water while going up to the next level, I guess it's kinda a similar effect to a pillar perc, except there's only 1 "pillar". Anyways, not that I needed much convincing, but you guys have sold me, I'll definitely be pulling the trigger on a recycler sometime soon (funds are a bit tight ATM, just got the $500 eagle package ) I'd still appreciate any one elses opinions on recyclers, especially what they think is the best value recycler to be had. I recall reading a post by Colie Glass that you don't want too much diffusion at the perc, or the extra turbulence can stop the whirlpool effect of the recycling water, have you noticed that at all with the D-9 Honeycomb recycler? They also have a non-honeycomb recycler, which looks to be Identical except for the lack of honeycomb. Frederick, Well, I double checked and yes with the extra perc of the honeycomb causes the water not to whirlpool in the funnel as much. The best one for that no doubt the Hamm Waterworks Supnik recycler - mine whirlpools awesome, but just has a jet inlet of the down tube. The Vertigo Pillar recyclers also whirlpool very nice, but they are multiple pillars on the way up. My little J-Red dabber recycle whirlpools awesome - no prec either. That said, so what, it doesn't whirlpool The designs I have - all of them, at that point the vapor has separated from the water.

The only thing I think it could provide is slow water return and therefore maybe cooler.

The honeycomb achieves the same effect, but w/o the whirlpool action. For me don't notice much difference if it whirlpools or not, but if you want it too, less perc is better. For a safe bet with reasonable cost I would suggest Sheldon Black. However, if you can afford $1000-$1200 the Hamm is the one IMHO followed by the Vertigo in my collection. The Mothership Torus recycler I have cost the most and it does not whirlpool much either, but it draws nice and its a weapon almost, like a small bat.

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